Over on the Nation of Earth sister site I have provided this link: http://projectcamelot.org/ralph_ring.html On that page you can find links to a video interview of Ralph Ring, who once worked with Otis Carr -- who once worked with Nikola Tesla. There is a particular bit of technology, and a project, that has been handed down -- and at the end of the video there is mention of yet others, the latest generation, CURRENTLY working on this project. What we learn is that flying saucers were developed here on Earth by this group in the 1950s and 60s, with several test flights of small unmanned craft -- and there was at least one successful flight of a 45' craft manned with a small crew. One flight was all they managed to get in before the whole operation was shut down. This was a craft fully capable of winning today's X-Prize, more than ready to perform the required short, safe space flight, with really no theoretical limits to distance beyond that. Years before the Apollo program came close, it could have landed on the Moon... We can assume that after all materials were confiscated, the technology was developed further, in secret. Combine this with other secret technology, and the mind reels. No telling how much they had then, how much they have now, or what they're doing with it -- but I'm not here to talk about conspiracy and secrets. No, what's on my mind is how far we could have come by now if these things had been out in the open. What if our world had been one in which people like JFK, RFK, AND MLK (not to mention John Lennon) were not assassinated? Where technology that freed each and every one of us from oil dependency was not only allowed, but celebrated? Where, for that matter, no wars were ever started with profit in mind? What if the public school system was designed to actually provide our youth with a valuable education, and not used as a control mechanism? If fluoride had never been introduced into water supplies? Interesting possibilities, but it doesn't do us much good to think about them, and it CERTAINLY doesn't do us any good to stay angry at the people within the system of control -- a system that was created long ago, and is now beginning to crumble. Good news: Now, with all the developments in technologies that HAVE been allowed, we are more able to make use of the ones that weren't. The devices and vehicles will be better right out of the box, and we'll be able to produce them worldwide very quickly, much more efficiently. Of course this doesn't take into account all the other things that will be happening, and happening quickly, without the benefit of the slow, organic process we might have had if certain people hadn't been able to so effectively control the populace -- but we'll take what we can get. * * * If you haven't already, please join http://earthnation.fatedtoend.com/ and participate in the forums. Oh, and happy New Year.